6/18/18 4:16 p.m.

So obvious, yet not something I’ve thought to do. I’ll be sure to give this a try some day.




6/25/18 11:32 p.m.

Had some sway bar shenanigans pop up recently. When the weight would settle on the front left corner, a popping sound occurred. Not a good sign when you’re prepping for an autocross. So, my first thought was to remove the quick disconnect end link from the front bar and retest. Sure enough… no popping. So, sway bar related, most likely.


Notice I didn’t say definitely.


Greased up the bushings, removed the end link on one side and greased up the ball sockets, in case they were somehow causing the binding and subsequent popping noise. Turns out, the problem was the lower end link stud that connects to the control arm, on the PASSENGER side. The retaining nut had somehow torqued itself to the point it was preventing the little bit of movement needed.


Weirdest part to me, was that the sound and the symptoms both appeared in the driver side wheel well, yet the issue was actually located on the passenger side. That was a fun one to learn!

Andy Hollis

The original picture…which somehow got lost in this online publication.


Pete. (l33t FS)

In reply to Andy Hollis :

Oh that’s brilliant.


Great idea!

BTW, the first picture is not a CRX.  

Another thought that is actually relevant to the story.

Could some sort of bracket be welded up to test something like this on a bench?  Some sway bars do not come on and off of cars easily.


Keith Tanner

You’d want a fairly strong bracket, but sure 🙂

One thing to note: it usually takes a fairly significant change in bar stiffness to change handling since they are not the only source of roll stiffness. A 100% increase is not unknown.

Another thing to note: you don’t really need to know the absolute stiffness of the bar if you’re keeping the same geometry. You can calculate the change in stiffness by simply calculating the change in stiffness of the material, which is usually just the change in diameter. Remember that stiffness increases with the diameter to the power of 4.

If you’re trying to figure out what the wall thickness is of a mysterious hollow bar, you can sometimes see the wall thickness in the flattened end where the bar has been squashed flat for a mounting tab.


In reply to Keith Tanner :

Racers know to build hollow bars and sliding links. The center of a bar does nothing to add stiffness except add weight. The sliding links allow me to adjust the bars to the track in minutes.  After I bend the bar to my shape I take to the local truck spring shop  for heat treating. 
    I use aluminum bushings/ brackets ,  But learned a lesson.  Always  put a radius where the  tube enters and leaves the bushing/bracket. Failure to do so increases the chance of binding  caused by chassis flexing.  Oh and lube the brackets/bushing every race. 
  PS  learn the trick of preloading the swaybars.  You can adjust the suspension to do one thing  on right hand corners and another on the right hand  ones. ( don’t do this until you really understand  what and why )   It’s always safe to set it up square  and extremely tricky not too. 

Keith Tanner

The center of a bar does indeed contribute to stiffness, but the outer skin is far more important. Basically, to get the stiffness of a hollow bar you take the number for a solid bar with the same OD and subtract the number for a solid bar with the ID. That 4th power means it’s not a significant contribution, but it’s also not zero. 

Sliding links are a way of adjusting bar stiffness, yes. But they’re harder to calculate on a spaghetti bar. Note that I did specify the same geometry. Life is much simpler when your bar is straight with arms that stick out at 90 degrees, but the need to do things like turn your front wheels can prevent that. Which is basically the point of this article – if you’re messing with arm geometry, it can get really tricky to calculate in a lot of cases.

Preloading bars is a way to get handling asymmetry. Whether that’s on purpose or by accident is another story. 

I’ve found that absolute bar stiffness is something people think they need to know but don’t know what to do with when you give it to them. That’s why we don’t publish the numbers for our bars but we’ll tell you if you ask. 


Again as a racer I can adjust for those last decimal places by adjusting the sliding links.  What I love is the speed and ease I can change the stuff so if the track should suddenly get a deluge of rain  moments before the race  a few minutes and a wrench I can make the required changes. 
      The art and skill of preloading is one of those skills not to be undertaken without massive experience  and trials  to know what you’re getting into.  


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